N.drew - My buffet comment refers to what people are doing in their belief of the Bible. How do believers have a relationship with Christ but disagree on parts of the Bible?
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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Also N.drew, you said the Bible, or the word, or whatever you'd like to call it (I don't mean that disrespectfully), can't be perfect.
Right. So let me get this straight. I'm not supposed to follow imperfect men because they eff up people's lives and don't know the truth. Check.
But I'm supposed to learn about and follow Christ in a truthful way from an imperfect source and accept it as truth about him because it sounds right to me? Seems rather strange.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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N.drew - And if you had read my post carefully, you would have seen that I didn't accuse you of being wrong in your view of the Bible.
But two people, or dare I say two Christian people, arriving at two different conclusions of what is truth based on the Bible, sounds like dissent to me.
As we often put on the JWs, you can't have two truths. Therefore, two believers can't have a disagreeing point of view and still both be right. No double standard is acceptable in either group, in my opinion.
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: Edited - The 1st part of this post didn't even make sense to me. LOL
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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N.drew, I love buffets too! Pick what you want and avoid the rest! Now there's a great way to learn the "truth".
If you don't believe something in the Bible and I do, I can argue and be right because I am a child of God.
Oh yes, and my fault - if I would ONLY accept the guide.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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Just to add to my comment above, I personally find that the arguments/comments made by the atheists here seem more convincing to me than a belief in.... (insert God, Jesus, Bible, religion, etc.) I don't completely dismiss all the believers thoughts, I just can't seem to connect any longer.
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Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?
by snare&racket inthis saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.
despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.
i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!
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I read more on this forum than I can, or care to, comment on. But I realize now for a fact that I can no longer classify myself as a believer.
Not targeting anyone or any comment in specific here on this thread, but I've seen it expressed by some believers that certain parts of the Bible can not be trusted. If that's the case, who decides what can be trusted, and what should be disagreed with?
The question is off topic, I know. I just can't wrap my head around getting to know Christ when most ways other than the Bible seem to be assumed. And we all know what happens when you assume........?
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Bill Maher: New Rule - Atheism is Not a Religion and he unbaptizes a dead Mormon
by undercover inhaven't seen this posted yet.
if it has been, i apologize.... but this is great.
bill's new rule from friday.. enjoy!.
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing undercover!
Although I am aware that Bill Maher's Religulous was heavily edited, I still truly enjoyed it. I've really liked him since.
I don't have HBO so I don't normally watch his show. But I find him funny, and I like how straightforward he is.
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Regarding Acts 15 and a "Governing Body"
by Ding ini couldn't find a window on which to post in xtreemlyconfused17's acts 15 thread, so i'm responding here.
some elder claimed that acts 15 shows the existence of a first century governing body.. quite the opposite!.
let's back up to acts 13. there, the holy spirit called saul (paul) and barnabas to missionary work.
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Great point Hoffnung!
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FDS says - "No need to check our work. Besides, it will only make God angry."
by Crisis of Conscience inthough i no longer believe the fds is indeed appointed by god, i guess because of what has been taught to me all these years through the wtbts, i still make an effort to try and look at both sides.
and then i come across this number below, which is how i arrived at my title for this thread.
***w81 2/15 p.19 do we need help to understand the bible?***.
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BUMP!!
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Was There REALLY a First Century "Governing Body"??
by Lady Liberty infirst century governing body?the watchtower claims that a formal governing body was established in the first century, which is used as the basis for how the governing body of the watchtower society operate today.. "while all anointed christians collectively form god's household, there is abundant evidence that christ chose a small number of men out of the slave class to serve as a visible governing body.
the early history of the congregation shows that the 12 apostles, including matthias, were the foundation of the first-century governing body.
" - watchtower 1990 mar 15 p.11 the term "governing body" is 'loaded language' as it never appears in the scriptures and so has unique application within the pages of the watchtower.
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Ooh! How did I miss this thread? LOL
Thanks Lady Liberty!
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